{"id":158,"date":"2025-11-30T13:15:08","date_gmt":"2025-11-30T13:15:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/anarchistfaq.org\/anarcho\/?p=158"},"modified":"2025-11-30T13:15:09","modified_gmt":"2025-11-30T13:15:09","slug":"on-saving-marxism-from-itself-a-response-to-mustapha-mond","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/anarchistfaq.org\/anarcho\/on-saving-marxism-from-itself-a-response-to-mustapha-mond\/","title":{"rendered":"On Saving Marxism From Itself (A Response to Mustapha Mond)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>A response to a Marxist seeking to make Marxism more acceptable to anarchists by injecting syndicalist ideas into it. Why bother if you have anarchism?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>On Saving Marxism From Itself (A Response to Mustapha Mond)<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Anarchists, I hope, would read Mustapha Mond\u2019s \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/anarchiststudies.noblogs.org\/article-a-brief-question-of-syndicalism\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">A Brief Question of Syndicalism<\/a>\u201d with mixed feelings. On the one hand, it is always nice to see other socialists apparently searching for common ground with their libertarian \u201cfrienemies\u201d and implicitly admit that we were right. On the other, there is a substantial element of wishful thinking about it which limits its usefulness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If syndicalism and its advocation of \u201cworkers\u2019 self-management, organisation, direct action and unionisation in order to abolish the capitalist order\u201d has been \u201cforgotten and stamped into tragic irrelevance\u201d then this, in part, was the product of the hostility of Marxists \u2013 such as Lenin or Trotsky \u2013 who spent a great deal of time attacking both it and workers\u2019 self-management as \u201cpetty bourgeois\u201d. Combined with the apparent \u201csuccess\u201d of the Russian Revolution which drew many militants away from it (and the overt hostility of the new Communist Parties) and the rise of fascism in many of its strongholds (Italy, Portugal, Spain, etc.), syndicalism no longer had the influence in after the Second World War as it had before the First.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The question arises as to why workers\u2019 control was viewed as \u201cpetty bourgeois\u201d and this takes us to the heart of the contradiction in Mond\u2019s suggestion that syndicalism is a cure for the ails of Marxist socialism. This, in turn, breaks down into three sub-questions: what is syndicalism? What is Marxist socialism? And, are both consistent with each other?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Syndicalism is, I would suggest, a tactic to achieve socialism rather than a vision of socialism. This explains why we find a range of people \u2013 anarchists (mutualists, collectivists, communists and even a few individualists) and Marxists (James Connolly and Daniel De Leon spring to mind) \u2013 advocating it while having differing visions of a future society. Yet almost all were agreed that \u201cproletarian ownership of the workplace\u201d was not desired \u2013 ownership would be <em>social<\/em> but <em>control<\/em> of production would rest in the producers\u2019 hands. Ownership has to be social so that anyone joining a workplace automatically becomes a member of the association running it, otherwise a class of workers who happened to be there when the workplace was first collectivised would employ another class of workers as their wage-workers.<a href=\"#_edn1\" id=\"_ednref1\">[1]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Social ownership can take many forms. Marx and Engels, however, continually stressed <em>State<\/em> ownership and rarely, if ever, mention workers\u2019 control of production. Rather, nationalisation \u2013 \u201ccentralisation \u2026 in the hands of the State\u201d, to quote <em>The Communist Manifesto<\/em> \u2013 is stressed, along with establishing \u201cindustrial armies\u201d (quoting the <em>Manifesto<\/em> again). As Marxist Bertell Ollman admits:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Marx\u2019s picture of life and organisation in the first stage of communism is very incomplete. There is no discussion of such obviously important developments as workers\u2019 control. We can only guess how much power workers enjoy in their enterprises.<a href=\"#_edn2\">[2]<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Compare this with Proudhon\u2019s 1848 election manifesto and its call for a federation of democratically-run workers\u2019 associations. This explains why, when it comes to showing that Marx favoured workers\u2019 control, his few positive comments on co-operatives are utilised.<a href=\"#_edn3\" id=\"_ednref3\">[3]<\/a> Yet such comments on co-operatives could fill, perhaps, a page, while Proudhon\u2019s include often extensive discussions over many books and articles from 1840 to 1865. In this, Bakunin and Kropotkin followed Proudhon\u2019s lead while Lenin paid only lip-service to (a very limited form of) workers\u2019 control in 1917 before quickly dropping it in favour of State control and \u201cdictatorial\u201d one-man management.<a href=\"#_edn4\" id=\"_ednref4\">[4]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This perspective drove the Bolshevik\u2019s systematic undermining of the factory committees after October within the centralised, statist economic regime they created reflecting their vision of socialism. A key part of this process was denunciation of the particularistic, parochial interests which they claimed factory committees expressed, as reflected in the \u201cpetty-bourgeois\u201d perspectives in the \u201canarchist utopia\u201d of socialism in one workplace. The economy, they claimed, was interlinked and this required a central body to control it, reflecting the orthodox interpretation of Marx and Engels then and now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The idea that \u201csyndicalism\u201d \u2013 worker-owned and run workplaces \u2013 is Marxist has been explored by Marxists for many years in their debates over \u201cmarket socialism\u201d.<a href=\"#_edn5\" id=\"_ednref5\">[5]<\/a> Mond refers to \u201ccontemporary theorist Richard Wolff\u201d who advocates a market socialism based on co-operatives which would, to use Mond\u2019s words, \u201cdirectly democratise the places in which they work, and would grant them the ownership of the means of production which has historically evaded them so heinously. It could be the very essence of socialism\u201d.<a href=\"#_edn6\" id=\"_ednref6\">[6]<\/a> Suffice to say, those who argue against market socialism in favour of planning have little difficulty proving their orthodoxy by means of numerous quotes from Marx and Engels (that the market socialists have little difficulty showing that these quotes are irrelevant for any real economy is equally true). With this in mind, I turn to this comment by Mond:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Perhaps a syndicalist society is the one which most truly conforms to the original conceptualisation of socialism by Marx, as it would necessarily entail the means of production being directly in the hands of the working classes, the proletarians, through worker co-operatives, unions, boards and committees rather than in the hands of the state through bureaucrats, autocrats, politicians and dictators. History\u2019s \u201csocialist\u201d experiments have too often resulted in the exaltation of authoritarianism and a lack of direct democracy, handing the means of production to the state as so-called \u201cpublic ownership\u201d rather than directly to the people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yet handing the means of production to the State was <em>precisely<\/em> what Marx and Engels (repeatedly) advocated. Only later, once classes had disappeared, would society become one of \u201cassociated producers\u201d. It is in this context that we need to evaluate any positive comments by Marx and Engels on co-operatives and how these contradict their wider views of a socialist economy. This can be seen in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.marxists.org\/archive\/marx\/works\/1871\/civil-war-france\/\"><em>The Civil War in France<\/em><\/a>, rightly considered Marx\u2019s most appealing and libertarian work (for it is mostly reporting on a libertarian influenced revolt which owed next to nothing to Marxism). He praises the attempts at co-operative production made during the Commune:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Yes, gentlemen, the Commune intended to abolish that class property which makes the labour of the many the wealth of the few. It aimed at the expropriation of the expropriators. It wanted to make individual property a truth by transforming the means of production, land, and capital, now chiefly the means of enslaving and exploiting labour, into mere instruments of free and associated labour. But this is communism, \u201cimpossible\u201d communism! (<em>The Civil War in France<\/em>)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>So far this describes mutualism and collectivism rather than communism (\u201cimpossible\u201d or not) given that Marx had not previously stressed associations to run the means of production but rather concentrating these \u201cinto the hands of the State\u201d. After this somewhat disingenuous assertion, he continues:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>If co-operative production is not to remain a sham and a snare; if it is to supersede the capitalist system; if united co-operative societies are to regulate national production upon a common plan, thus taking it under their own control, and putting an end to the constant anarchy and periodical convulsions which are the fatality of capitalist production \u2013 what else, gentlemen, would it be but communism, \u201cpossible\u201d communism?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Now we get to the uniquely Marxist vision, the need for \u201ca common plan\u201d for \u201cnational production\u201d as the means of the workers \u201ctaking it under their own control\u201d. There are numerous issues associated with national \u2013 never mind international \u2013 planning which neither Marx nor Engels seemed aware of. In their writing, the task of identifying, gathering, processing and presenting the millions of inputs and outputs of any such plan are either ignored or assumed to be a simple matter.<a href=\"#_edn7\" id=\"_ednref7\">[7]<\/a> Marx, to use a pertinent example, considered a few sentences on two workers producing two goods as sufficient in his deeply dishonest polemic against Proudhon, <em>The Poverty of Philosophy<\/em>.<a href=\"#_edn8\" id=\"_ednref8\">[8]<\/a> While a \u201ccommon plan\u201d is easy to envision with two inputs and two outputs, one involving millions of products and producers is less so.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This, while important, should not distract us from the key contradiction here \u2013 namely that such planning ends meaningful workers\u2019 control at the point of production.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Let us assume that all the informational, knowledge and processing issues of planning the economic (and social) activities of millions of people have been solved. A common plan has been somehow drawn up and agreed by the people by referendum.<a href=\"#_edn9\" id=\"_ednref9\">[9]<\/a> The task is now to implement it. A plan \u2013 to qualify as such \u2013 has to have decided upon outputs and inputs. To be coherent, this has to apply at every level otherwise the agreed outputs cannot be delivered (we will ignore the question of whether the implicit assumption of perfect foresight is feasible).Thus, once a plan has been decided, each workplace has to be given its allocated outputs to produce (and when to produce them) and informed of which inputs they can expect (and when to expect them). If this is not done, then there is no plan and no regulation of national production: a \u201ccommon plan\u201d has to be a central plan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This means that any \u201cworkers\u2019 control\u201d or \u201ceconomic democracy\u201d within a given workplace would be within these tight constraints. Indeed, unless the plan allows it, workers cannot even paint their cafeteria a different colour (the volume of green paint would be determined by the plan and so any such request would have to be pre-approved in order for the correct inputs to be specified for the expected demand). Being one vote in millions (billions!) would make the workplace a site of alienation, albeit a different form than under capitalism. It would mimic the same \u201cdemocracy\u201d expressed in bourgeois elections to parliament (albeit perhaps more often). As with centralised political democracy, centralised economic democracy would not secure for people meaningful control over their own lives, quite the reverse as the conscious allocation of resources is also the conscious allocation of work (consider the impact on \u201cthe common plan\u201d if people decide to change jobs).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The orthodox Marxist argument against economic federalism and workplace autonomy is, firstly, that workers would gain a narrow, proprietorial interest and use whatever advantage they had against society as a whole. Second, that there is a pressing need to coordinate economic activity to ensure efficiency in identifying and achieving social goals. Third, that within a market-socialist economy, there would be pressures from the market which would force the workforce to cut conditions, increase the hours and intensity of labour, etc. in order to survive (this is often described by the somewhat self-contradictory terms \u201cself-exploitation\u201d and \u201cself-managed capitalism\u201d).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The first issue is a potential danger but it ignores that the officials at the top of the economy can also gain a narrow, proprietorial interest, <em>but<\/em> <em>over the whole economy<\/em>. While the anti-social activities of a few workplaces can easily be challenged by others, those of bureaucrats are far harder to challenge.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The second is valid and explains why anarchists have never denied that a complex economy is interlinked and needs appropriate federal bodies to manage appropriate social needs. However, we are also aware that it is precisely this complexity and interwovenness that means that no central body \u2013 no matter how big or powerful \u2013 could manage it.<a href=\"#_edn10\" id=\"_ednref10\">[10]<\/a> Autonomy is needed precisely because of the numerous unexpected problems any <em>real<\/em> economy would face, and to generate the essential information and knowledge only free agreement exposes (and which is inevitably lost in the aggregation needed for the plan).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The third is valid, but applies to mutualism rather than libertarian communism and likewise ignores the threat implied by placing economic decision making \u2013 and so power \u2013 into the hands of central bodies. The challenge for libertarian communism is to secure meaningful workplace autonomy and to coordinate diverse plans without the positive and negative influences of markets.<a href=\"#_edn11\" id=\"_ednref11\">[11]<\/a> This rejection of the centralisation inherent to a \u201ccommon plan\u201d does <em>not<\/em> mean rejecting coordination, just that this must be achieved by means of federalism for appropriate activities and at appropriate levels.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mond is right in a sense, for there <em>is<\/em> an overlap between market socialists and their orthodox opponents. Market socialism becomes acceptable for the latter during the \u201ctransition period\u201d immediately after a revolution. Thus the market socialists are denounced as advocating a utopian project due to the inherent incompatibility of markets and socialism, and markets are recognised as an essential aspect of the transitional economy: how being unworkable <em>and<\/em> a necessity is left to the magic of dialectics to explain.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is the mirror image of the Marxist position of the State. \u201cYes, we agree with you anarchists that the State is a horrible institution, and we, too, want to get rid of it\u201d, Marxists say, \u201cbut we need it for a little while (with us in control of it, naturally) until it withers away\u201d. In this case, it is \u201cYes, we agree with you anarchists that workers\u2019 control of workplaces is a vital institution which we support, but only for a little while until capitalism withers away\u201d. Yet the withering away of workplace management occurs at the same time as the State (allegedly) withers away, but the former requires a strengthening of the very central power the latter suggests is disappearing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thus we have the paradoxical situation of the central authority both withering away <em>and<\/em> expanding its control over the economy (and so society). This is resolved by suggesting that, as classes disappear, so does the State, but this is simply due to the way the latter is defined. Indeed, no class exists which \u201cowns\u201d the means of production, but as economic decision making becomes increasingly centralised as part of the process of creating \u201cthe common plan\u201d, a new class which controls the means of production, the labour process and the output develops. We are assured this is not a State because it is merely administering things, but this is not so:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Engels \u2026 was merely playing with words. Whoever has power over things has power over men; whoever governs production also governs the producers; who determines consumption is master over the consumer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is the question; either things are administered on the basis of free agreement among the interested parties, and this is anarchy; or they are administered according to laws made by administrators and this is government, it is the State, and inevitably it turns out to be tyrannical.<a href=\"#_edn12\">[12]<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Thus it was not, as Mond suggests, an \u201cunwillingness to lend more direct control to the workers\u201d that \u201cled to paradoxically renewed class antagonisms: an irreconcilable friction between workers and bureaucrats\u201d. Rather, it was the contradiction between the decentralising and decentring of power required for meaningful workers\u2019 management of production and the centralising and centring of power required for \u201ca common plan\u201d. As the State gathers to itself and centralises more and more economic functions, it does not become less and less a State, because while existing classes may steadily disappear as a result of this process, the empowering of a centralised structure with more and more functions creates a new ruling class (the working class returns to its place as order-takers after a brief moment of economic freedom). This can only be viewed as the withering away of the State if we assume, as Marxism does, that ownership alone creates classes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>From an anarchist perspective, while the former class division between capitalist and proletarian may, indeed, disappear, a new one between bureaucrat and proletariat grows. There is nothing paradoxical about it at all, which Mond seems to recognise:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>These failures of history were due to the fact that state-monopolised property is simply Bourgeoisie property in new clothing \u2026 Private property has never truly been abolished and entrusted to the proletarians directly, yet this is what syndicalism would achieve.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Yet here he merely echoes Proudhon\u2019s critique of what he termed \u201cCommunity\u201d (usually somewhat inaccurately translated as \u201ccommunism\u201d) in <em>What is Property?<\/em> that the \u201cmembers of a community, it is true, have no private property; but the community is proprietor, and proprietor not only of the goods, but of the persons and wills\u201d. While capitalism divided ownership and use, Community (State socialism) saw ownership and use undivided and both resulted in exploitation and oppression. The USSR, Cuba. China, etc. prove the validity of this analysis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So these arguments are hardly original. Bakunin sketched them in his conflict with Marx in the International. Yet Mond still suggests that \u201cMarx once wrote that the dictatorship of the proletariat \u2018begins with the self-government of the commune\u2019. That is to say such a dictatorship would be a bottom-up system of direct democracy, rather than top-down control\u201d. The irony here is that Mond is quoting Marx from his marginal notes to Bakunin\u2019s <em>Statism and Anarchy<\/em> which dismissed, to quote Mond, Bakunin\u2019s \u201cprediction that Marxism would lead to a new despotic \u2018red bureaucracy\u2019, more dictatorial than a capitalist system, played out through history as if prophecy\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As such, it is bizarre to see Marx\u2019s marginal notes on Bakunin quoted as if it were an irrelevance that every Marxist revolution (indeed, every Marxist movement) has seen the rise of a new class of rulers within it. Yes, indeed, Marx did proclaim that the so-called dictatorship of the proletariat \u201cbegins with the self-government of the commune\u201d yet this has <em>never<\/em> come to pass \u2013 for precisely the reason Bakunin sketches but which Marx clearly does not understand. Surely, the experience of over one hundred and fifty years of an ideology\u2019s practice should count more than mere words? Mond does mention this sorry history when he admits:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It has been evident in the USSR, Cuba, China and other nations, that once a new elite had established power, there was a lack of motivation to move beyond the dictatorship of the proletariat. This eventually resulted in the creation of, as Trotsky termed it, \u201cdegenerated workers\u2019 states\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yet the new elite \u201cestablished power\u201d in the USSR when Trotsky was in charge \u2013 as experienced by Emma Goldman in 1920 \u2013 and while he viewed it as a \u201cworkers\u2019 state\u201d in spite of party dictatorship and one-man management in production. The formation of this new class, as Goldman also explained, was a <em>direct<\/em> product of the Bolshevik vision of socialism based on nationalisation and centralisation \u2013 and the millions of bureaucrats this generated.<a href=\"#_edn13\" id=\"_ednref13\">[13]<\/a> Of course, many Marxists \u2013 like Ollman \u2013 suggest that Russia cannot be used to draw <em>any<\/em> conclusions about Marxism due to its economic backwardness but that seems to forget that Marx was without telephones \u2013 never mind computers! \u2013 when he put pen to paper. Given this, I would suggest that \u201cthe concept of syndicalism\u201d <em>is<\/em> \u201cdependent on the absence of a state\u201d, if by syndicalism it is meant meaningful workers\u2019 control: any centralised economic body would systematically undermine it by its very nature.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yet we must never forget that powerful role the term \u201ctransition\u201d plays in Marxist ideology. This allows Marxists to claim that Marxism is \u201canti-State\u201d while, simultaneously, arguing for the necessity to build a new State. Thus \u201csyndicalist\u201d self-management of production can be simultaneously opposed and supported depending upon whether we are talking about the transitional period or not. Yet the direction is clear \u2013 the aim is to move away from such workers\u2019 management and towards central regulation and control.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>All too often, anarchist criticism of Marxism is dismissed as sectarian (although that does not stop other Marxists, usually of the same group, writing disgracefully inaccurate attacks on anarchism). No matter, for we should be proud of the fact we correctly predicted the fate of Marxism. Yes, social democracy became as reformist as Bakunin predicted. Yes, State Socialism simply replaced the boss by the bureaucrat as Proudhon predicted. Whether economically or politically, the \u201cdictatorship of the proletariat\u201d became the \u201cdictatorship <em>over<\/em> the proletariat\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Still, it is hard not to agree with Mond that the socialist and labour movement would be in a better position \u201chad we listened to Bakunin during the First International and followed a path of syndicalism\u201d. So why bother to seek in \u201csyndicalism\u201d an antidote to bureaucratic dangers within Marxism? Why not simply embrace syndicalism? After all, syndicalism became popular in part because Marxism \u2013 in its Social-Democratic incarnation \u2013 proved to be the rule of party and union officials within socialist and labour groupings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yes, by tracking down the pitifully few positive comments by Marx and Engels on co-operatives and ignoring the lack of commitment to workers\u2019 management in their most famous programmes, it could be possible to present an image of them as advocates of \u201csyndicalism\u201d. However, this is not convincing nor would it account for the systematic opposition of most Marxist movements to such a vision. Given the Marxist prejudices in favour of centralisation, the few scattered remarks of its founding fathers will be of little use and, worse, counterproductive. As Mond shows, they would blind those who invoke them to the dynamics produced by their other, more representative, perspectives on State ownership and central control.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This can be seen today when orthodox Marxists, rightly, label the market socialists <em>Proudhonists<\/em> (which appears to be amongst the worst insults any Marxist could call somebody). Perhaps, then, rather than seek to cobble together a few scattered sentences into a quasi-coherent notion which hides more than it exposes, can we not just admit that the anarchists were right? That Marx, while he may have enriched socialism by his (incomplete) analysis of capitalism, did not have a coherent vision of a socialism that could work in practice?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Which, I think, explains this unconvincing attempt to link Marx and syndicalism. Goldman long ago indicated how syndicalism was the only alternative to the Bolshevik industrial State but she rightly saw the latter as expressing Marxist ideology rather than the former.<a href=\"#_edn14\" id=\"_ednref14\">[14]<\/a> Mond suggests that \u201cMarx was profoundly prophetic and correct in his analysis of capitalism, its exploitation, and class struggle, with the dialectically inevitable remedy of socialism as strikingly obvious today\u201d. Ignoring the \u201ddialectically inevitable remedy\u201d comment for obvious reasons, the question is, do we need Marx to provide an \u201canalysis of capitalism, its exploitation, and class struggle\u201d? In terms of the last, the answer is surely \u201cno\u201d as Marx argued that the class struggle must move from the economic terrain onto the political, the net effect of which was for the socialists who followed this advice to become reformists. What of his \u201canalysis of capitalism, its exploitation\u201d? This is less clear cut as he definitely made contributions to this, but we must never forget that in 1867 he built upon the foundations laid by Proudhon after mocking his analysis and methodology in 1847.<a href=\"#_edn15\" id=\"_ednref15\">[15]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We must view Marx as we view others who enriched our understanding of capitalism, whether socialists like Proudhon or those seeking to save capitalism from itself like Keynes and Minsky. Once we do that, then perhaps the socialist movement can escape the deadweight of the past which seems to force some to link <em>everything<\/em> to Marx \u2013 even when trying to save socialism from his legacy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, should we use syndicalism to save Marxism from itself? Why, when we have anarchism?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>End Notes<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref1\" id=\"_edn1\">[1]<\/a> Iain McKay (2016), \u201cProudhon, Property and Possession\u201d, <em>Anarcho-Syndicalist Review<\/em> 66 (Winter). Available at: <a href=\"https:\/\/anarchistfaq.org\/anarcho\/anarchists\/proudhon-property-and-possession\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/anarchistfaq.org\/anarcho\/anarchists\/proudhon-property-and-possession\/<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref2\" id=\"_edn2\">[2]<\/a> Bertell Ollman (1978), <em>Social and Sexual Revolution: Essays on Marx and Reich<\/em> (Montreal: Black Rose Books), pp. 65-66.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref3\" id=\"_edn3\">[3]<\/a> Bruno Jossa (2005), \u201cMarx, Marxism and the cooperative movement\u201d, <em>Cambridge Journal of Economics<\/em> 29: 1, pp. 3-18.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref4\" id=\"_edn4\">[4]<\/a> Maurice Brinton (2020), \u201cThe Bolsheviks and Workers\u2019 Control\u201d, in David Goodway (ed.) <em>For Workers\u2019 Power: The Selected Writings of Maurice Brinton<\/em> (Edinburgh: AK Press).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref5\" id=\"_edn5\">[5]<\/a> Ollman Bertell (ed.) (1998), <em>Market Socialism: The Debate Among Socialists<\/em> (London: Routledge).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref6\" id=\"_edn6\">[6]<\/a> On Wolff, see Iain McKay (2015), \u201c<em>Democracy At Work <\/em>Review essay\u201d, <em>Anarcho-Syndicalist Review<\/em> 64\/5 (Summer). Available at: <a href=\"https:\/\/anarchistfaq.org\/anarcho\/review-democracy-at-work-a-cure-for-capitalism\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/anarchistfaq.org\/anarcho\/review-democracy-at-work-a-cure-for-capitalism\/<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref7\" id=\"_edn7\">[7]<\/a> See, see example, Karl Marx and Frederick Engels (1987), <em>Marx &amp; Engels Collected Works Vol 25: Engels: Dialectics of Nature<\/em> (London: Lawrence &amp; Wishart) pp. 294-295. For commentary, see Iain McKay (2018), \u201cDavid Harvey on Proudhon\u201d, <em>Anarchist Writers<\/em>, 26<sup>th<\/sup> November. Available at: <a href=\"https:\/\/anarchistfaq.org\/pit\/blog\/david-harvey-proudhon.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/anarchistfaq.org\/pit\/blog\/david-harvey-proudhon.html<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref8\" id=\"_edn8\">[8]<\/a> See Iain McKay (2017), \u201cProudhon\u2019s Constituted Value and the Myth of Labour Notes\u201d, <em>Anarchist Studies<\/em> 25:1. Available at: <a href=\"https:\/\/anarchistfaq.org\/anarcho\/proudhons-constituted-value-and-the-myth-of-labour-notes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/anarchistfaq.org\/anarcho\/proudhons-constituted-value-and-the-myth-of-labour-notes\/<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref9\" id=\"_edn9\">[9]<\/a> Market socialist David Schweickart (1993) explores the difficulties in any such referendum in his discussion of an early form of Parecon in <em>Against Capitalism<\/em> (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press), 329-334.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref10\" id=\"_edn10\">[10]<\/a> Peter Kropotkin (2014), \u201cMessage to the Workers of the Western World\u201d, in Iain McKay (ed.) <em>Direct Struggle Against Capital: A Peter Kropotkin Anthology<\/em> (Edinburgh: AK Press), pp. 489-490.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref11\" id=\"_edn11\">[11]<\/a> George Barrett (2019) sketches aspects of such a system in \u201cThe Anarchist Revolution\u201d, in Iain McKay (ed.) <em>Our Masters are Helpless: The Essays of George Barrett<\/em> (London: Freedom Press), pp. 25-26.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref12\" id=\"_edn12\">[12]<\/a> Errico Malatesta (1993) in Vernon Richards (ed.) <em>Errico Malatesta: His Life and Ideas<\/em> (London: Freedom Press), p. 145.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref13\" id=\"_edn13\">[13]<\/a> Emma Goldman (2017), <em>My Disillusionment in Russia<\/em> (London: Active Distribution), pp. 62, 66, 67, 107. 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